Hopefully he also didnt mean Scherzer, one terrible wildcard game from an elite pitcher like him still doesnt make him crap. vs. NYM 1.0 IP, 2 H, 0 SO, 0 BB, 1 ER, Rookie Status: For the same price Id much rather have Swansbys 2023=2028, than Baezs 2022-2027. You are going in with an assumption that he will absolutely get it. You just need to have an Apple account and either a computer or smartphone to access the verification code. Now ya have your CF 1b 2b 3b rf and strider all signed to under market value contracts and still have money to sign swanson and dip into free agent pool. If you dont catch it and cancel the extra comments before the edit button expires, it looks like youve repeated the same post. I sure would like to have more of a track record than a single season. Salary Spencer Strider's salary is $710,000 per year, which includes a $0 signing bonus. Look at them now. Inigo Montoya: You keep using that term, Super Two. It doesnt mean what you think it means. Sorry for the confusion. Yes, the poor ownership of the past is directly related to the problem but that teams problem going forward will always been the fan support. Not at all. 3.04 ERA 8.7 K/9. Practically anyone who can browse streaming TV services in the first place can do it. And And. $25M (2028 Option), If he blew the lid off previous seasons with year-to-year, it would be like, $1M (2023) the Mets won the same number of games the Braves did1and Strider got lit up in the only big game he ever pitched inDid he have a good season, yes. I am a Yankees fan and they could learn a thing or two from Lets say you are going to a MLB game at your local stadium and for-the-sake-of-argument lets say there are only 4 seat choices: bleachers $15, nose-bleeds (2nd & 3rd deck) $40, between 1st and 3rd base behind the dugouts for $100, and a seat in a suite for $150. Sure Ks make more money, but his control years should be as follows if he doesnt fall off at all: 2023: minimum While no one can predict the future, ATL knows these players theyre extending better than anyone. Another pitiful troll comment from books. Strider will make $4 million by 2025, with $1 million going to each of the next two seasons. Google elude. Can Story even play SS anymore? Then add in the two FA years the Braves control at $22 million each, and this deal is great for the Braves. Draft: Drafted by the Cleveland Indians in the 35th round of the 2017 MLB June Amateur Draft from Christian Academy of Knoxville (Knoxville, TN) and the Atlanta Braves in the 4th round of the 2020 MLB June Amateur Draft from Clemson University (Clemson, SC). We cant complain about how a big corporation treats people and not acknowledge when they get it right. I bet the Yankees are wishing Judge took that extension earlier this year. Already Subscribed? In a general sense, the Harris deal is a great one, and Riley. That could really escalate the arb figures. Only if its a Top-2 mustache, and it is. I dont know anything about bonuses with adjustments made to the new CBA. We can stay the underdog and underrated for all I care . This was risky to me as well. $12M (2025) If thats the case, how do you justify to Max Fried that hes only making $22.5M through his first 5 years in the league? 2nd year $14.75 mm, If he reaches his potential, sure if you want to believe that, but not on a long-term deal for a 30-year-old pitcher. Id lose my crap if Seattle paid Kirby that much and he may have the best control since Greg Maddux with Smoltz level velo. The Braves dont seem to pay for peak seasons from post-prime age players, especially not at SS, which is about the easiest position to put a cheap, 2 WAR floor under, given fielding peaks in players early 20s. 1st year $7.225 mm Then again, I also had concerns with Baez, who has a higher degree of volatility due to his approach. The Giants & Cubbies will follow and up the Goliaths to 5. It allows them to know exactly how much room they have left in the budget. Pads Fan. They still unquestionably saved on Striders first two free-agent years, provided he remains healthy. Lets go Juan Soto. They shouldve gotten at least 3 guaranteed free agent years plus an option year for that kind of heavy payout, and even then its unnecessarily risky for the team compared to other early career extensions. Take Ohtanis arb for an example, $30MM for next season. The contract, which covers the 2023-28 seasons, also contains a $22MM club option for the 2029 season. The Braves stepped up and want Morton to do it again, for $20m. Here it is again, for your convenience. As for your tech savvy argument, its a very simple. I will let you do the math. Their window didnt change with this signing. Not to sound too negative, since there are also positives in his hitting profile, but Id have concerns going too long term with him. Without me teaching you how trade valuations are correctly built, I cant debate with because I think so, I have to explain how I got that answer. He had two pre-arb years left and then 3 arb years before the extension. $10M (2025) You dont pay max arb prices to save $8M. Spencer Strider currently plays position Starting Pitcher for Atlanta Braves in Major League Baseball, the senior baseball league in the United States. eligible. As much as the Acuna and Albies deals were highway robbery they still havent been good cause theyve been hurt or half what they were. Doesnt make it a bad deal for the team, either. Baez currently is one of the worst hitting SS in MLB. @bhambrave If you dont know what Super Two means dont try to talk about which players are or arent one. A year ago, the Super 2 status was set a 2 years and 116 days, which is about normal, even low in recent years with most Super 2 status cutoffs falling in the 130s. Actually, you are totally wrong. These deals were made after Matt Olson received his eight-year, $168 million deal one day after being acquired from the As in March. Wouldnt be a bad time to offer him a 5-6 year deal at 100-120 mill. The 21-year old made the transition from the bullpen to the starting rotation. If thats the case, then the Braves just got Spencers first 5 seasons for, check this, 15 million. Will make luxury tax teams wary of him. Product executive enabling intelligent decisions through enriching and enhancing data and delivering it in awesome products. Its amazing how many people are just totally willing to ignore the possibility of injury or decline in performance despite the dozens and dozens of examples weve seen. Seems like a good deal for both sides. Strider is expected to start in Game 1 of the series. More importantly, has anybody ever heard of Chris Davis? No its not at all about that. Yeah Anthopoulos has spent right to the cap limit if he brings back Swanson! Braves: Spencer Strider offers plenty of blame for rough weekend vs Mets. All images are property the copyright holder and are displayed here for informational purposes only. ft. is going for $60M+. The Braves should evaluate Swanson based on his last 3 healthy seasons of play. I also think thats one reason Freeman was so guilt-ridden, or whatever, about not returning when he had the chance. Story put up a 112 OPS+ and 26.8 bWAR in the 6 seasons leading up to his deal with the Red Sox. With Striders salaries now set through the 2028 season, the Braves, incredibly, already have $76MM on the books six years down the line. Its all the projections every year. Half these contracts wont work out. But if we are anywhere near the same cutoff after next season that we were after 2021, Strider will miss Super 2 status by 110 days roughly or almost 4 months of being on the roster. Injuries are 75% covered by insurance So $250M from a team in Texas is worth $175M, while the offer from the Yankees or Mets for $250M is worth only $150M due to the tax difference. I expect the Braves are going to go to Dansby and say Dansby, you see what were trying to do here. Pads Fans spends 5 hours a day commenting from multiple accounts and STILL doesnt know how Super Two works. 3rd ARB year was supposed to be $21.5 MM. Mike Soroka, if he would have been extended at the same time in his career than Strider just was, would have two years of no value add to the team due to his Achilles injuries. Hes definitely Super Two. Ive had it with my cable provider. If another team over values him based on his 2 week debut, the Braves should deal him. Mets fans are horrible (imo) bc all they do is whine BUT they show up and support their team (while still whining). This allows them to trade for players like raisel iglesias who have extra years remaining on their contracts. All of this doesnt even take into consideration if hes not an inner-circle HOF pitcher and has a fall off like Trevor Rogers. All logos are the trademark & property of their owners and not Sports Reference LLC. Prior to his walk year, he had an 8.8 career bWAR, or 2.1/650 PAs. The volatility is too high. Total Zone Rating and initial framework for Wins above Replacement calculations provided by Sean Smith. The reason is pitchers are volatile. This is one time a record truly means nothing. Its one thing to find a new way to add money for the young guys, its another to say Julio Rodriguez should get a bigger 1st arb year because he was better two years ago. Other then that what aging crap did we sign? Youd think some of these young Braves players would want to bet on themselves by waiting a few years. Those numbers are very reasonable. Most of the professional commentators (fwiw) picked the Braves on the basis that the Mets had yet to unthrone the kings. Besides, adding a couple extra free agent years at close to market value on a later extension is absolutely worth it if he is indeed for real. His previously strained left oblique muscle was fine as he threw off the mound on Sunday and on flat ground on Monday. Kudos to him if he wants to do it; cant blame him for being happy to take nine figures to stay with his hometown team and to stay with this core of players but there should be a lot more on the market for him than that. The Braves have extended yet another key member of their impressive young core, this time announcing a six-year, $75MM contract for right-hander Spencer Strider. On the other hand, thats a trivial concern when juxtaposed with the benefit of having so many high-end players signed for the next six-plus seasons. Should just stop there because even mentioning that website shows a complete disconnection from reality. His first full year starting he had a 4.02 ERA. Not to mention at that point, many of the players might even decide to wait out until free agency and refuse any potentially team friendly deals. The Orioles host the Atlanta Braves at Ed Smith Stadium in Sarasota at 1:05 p.m. on Saturday. His salary will jump to $4 million in 2025, $20 million in 20216 and $22 million in 2027 and 2028. Im sure Ill get roasted with comments on letting Shewmake run with SS but Im trying to be reasonable. . The only way this deal makes sense is if he becomes an inner-circle Hall-of-Fame pitcher who is the greatest pitcher of our generation. the official stats partner of the NBA, NHL and MLB. Players dont sign extensions to be traded. Now sign 7! Being represented by Frontline he got himself a nice contract plus doesnt have to worry about fleas & ticks, Repd by Frontline and now hes got Bravecto. Corbin Burnes is entering his 5th full season and 2nd pass through arbitration, which is only projected to pay him $11.3M. (adsbygoogle=window.adsbygoogle||[]).push({}); Ralph Kiner estimated Net Worth, Biography, Age, Height, Dating, Relationship Records, Salary, Income, Cars, Lifestyles & many more details have been updated below. Two east coast teams in ATL/PHI with two west coast teams in LAD/SD pretty much guarantees youre going to go in this order. I have even heard that the team holds onto properties in the New York area to rent to players to keep it affordable for them to live near the park. Great job by signing Strider to an extension. On the surface it seems like the Braves have made several excellent long-term deals with young talent. Most pitchers do that. Im doing the same at the end of October. Im curious what he wants. Not great to sign long term deals to declining players. He is getting more then 3 years. Spencer Strider is still a rookie in the Atlanta Braves, but he's got the potential to become a professional. The team has 15 players, none of which are Swanson, taking up $180M of their payroll in 2023. Matt Harvey had a higher ERA and lower K/9 and higher BB/9 in his first season. To say theres no way they avoid the luxury tax is ridiculous. This line in the Braves press release is why you dont wait: Strider became the first player in major league history to strike out over 200 with fewer than 100 hits allowed.. I agree on Riley, but Harris and Strider seemed to sign for cheap. But I wonder if a team can reach a point that they have too many of these deals and can could reduce their roster flexibility down the road. Its still a win for both player and team, but the glut of long-term deals does inflate the Braves luxury ledger more quickly than a year-by-year approach would. It very well could be a bad deal for his team if he cant continue the level of dominance he showed this year or has constant injury problems. As a Mets fan, I hate what the Braves are doing. For 1st? I was a little shocked at how quickly and how high Striders pay jumps. If youre going to give out a big extension like this, you should wait until after hes played three years or at least two to make sure hes for real, especially if youre only getting one or two free agent years in exchange. And guess what? Especially when guys are more amped in their first MLB playoff game! But they have shown the willingness to lock up their young stars. Sunday marked the first time Strider had thrown off a mound since his Sept. 18 start against Philadelphia. Per SNY's Andy Martino, the Mets are hesitant to go up to four years if another team offered four at a high salary figure for the two-time Cy Young winner, who opted out of the remaining two years of the five-year . If the Braves pick up that net $17MM option for the 29 campaign, Strider will earn a total of $92MM over seven years. Thats $25 mil. Signing Strider screwed their budget for no good reason. Use without license or authorization is expressly prohibited. Win win for both sides. Lets say Strider goes to every All-Star game for the next 6 years, wins two Cy Young awards, finishes top 10 every other season, and avoids injury. I think that $40M is more like $45M, So they paid him a bonus of $25M in order to obtain a 1+1 extension for $22M + $22M, with a $5M buyout. Before joining MLB, he was the top freshman at Clemson in 2018 and later missed the . He made $8 mil last year and $17 mil this year. Bro thats not how it works just stick to one account. Baez and Story are declining. Hes expected to get 12 mill next season as an arb 3. Strider averaged 13.8 strikeouts per nine innings - best in the big leagues - while posting an 11-5 record, 2.67 earned run average, and 202 strikeouts in 131 2/3 innings. You also dont know whether he took the extension in order to lock up significant money, as a hedge against injury, or because he and his agent wanted to advance pitcher salaries for others. He has recorded 10 or more strikeouts in a game six times this season, including twice this month -- striking out 16 against the Colorado Rockies on Sept. 1, and 10 in his most recent start Sunday against the Phillies. Waves of injuries can derail any team at any time, but health-permitting, the Braves are going to be good for a long, long time. Give Swanson credit for being healthy for the last couple of seasons. Still waiting to see the projection where two arb years are the same, factoring in the obligatory TJ surgery. Factor in the Braves are assuming all of the risk hell continue to pitch at an elite level for 5 straight years to top it off, which is no guarantee. Since 2019, Ugh. Browse our online application for MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, EPL, or MLS player contracts, salaries, transactions, and more. He started 20 times and finished three . 36. The SPORTS REFERENCE and STATHEAD trademarks are owned exclusively by Sports Reference LLC. Cole has stated since he was in UCLA that he was a Yankee fan and wanted to be in pinstripes when he grew up, he was even drafted by the Yankees and chose college ball, but said it was a tough choice and hoped hed end up there eventually. Thats worrisome! Had the Yankees given Judge the same treatment after the 2017 season, we wouldnt be having Judge FA discussions. And we're still kind of mulling over what's the right thing for us and him and how to use him.. Considering the current model, I wouldnt bank on $20M coming from the final arb year and that leaves $27.5M/year for the two free agent seasons. You make deals based on current results and future expectations. Cano signed with Seattle, the Mets were just dumb enough to trade for him. Being healthy doesnt make you as good. There are way too many moving pieces to just guarantee blowing past the luxury tax. BTV? Brilliant! "It helps when . The problem is they still have the potential to either end up in the bleachers or the nose-bleed sections, or even if they get great seats behind homeplate, they are still losing nearly 30% on the gamble. Or 40 million a year for Max. They're projected to have a league-high $61.7 million in salary-cap space, . Who caes about Story and Baez past anyway? Ride along with Braves pitcher Spencer Strider as he talks about what it's like playing at the big-league level, his favorite music to play on days he starts. And 2.003 years is nowhere near enough to qualify as a Super Two. Ill hang up and listen. They signed him to a lucrative six-year, $75 million extension on October 10. Additionally. They tended to evaluate the Mets as having the better team, but not by a lot, but were going (fwiw) with experience and so forth. His salary will jump to $20 million in '26 and then rise to $22 million for both of the next two seasons. Lets keep the core together. He only throws 100 MPH? Not me. If he is 2nd in ROY he is credited with a full year of service so he definitely would NOT be a Super Two. Its a lot easier to reference someone who is about 70-80% of the way there. He divides his timing between the four MLB teams, but one thing is certain. They have a big part of their core locked up for years and have set themselves on the path to being contenders for the next five years minimum. Au contraire it is you who needs to check their info. No, the alternative is to wait an extra year or two before extending him and then not overpaying for his arb years if/when you do still decide to extend him. Won a World Series last year. They signed scherzer only to make a run this and set an example for winning and pitching which he did. It shows loyalty and commitment to someone whos earned it. That 94 mph fastball to Rhys Hoskins is that danger more than 3 mph difference in velo from normal, which is to say, he usually sits 97-98, touching 100 and dropping as low as 96. Freeman even took Seagers #5 jerseytoo easy. The lot of before money is hopeful at best. I dont mute your kind, but I wont bother reading your insult laden rants in the future. He will finish next year with exactly TWO FULL YEARS OF SERVICE!! Have to disagree that Baez and Story have more upside than Swanson at this point in their careers. The Super 2 status means more than 2 year and less than 3 years. Salary: All-Star: World Series: 2021 Atlanta Braves: 65--2022 Atlanta Braves: They also made a couple great trades getting future star players that wear near MLB ready (Dansby/Fried). Right?? hflew: This is the first pitcher (out of the 6 players) theyve signed to an extension. Hes getting old and is owed a good chunk of change still. Worry about your own team of aging stars and average players. Strider just had one of the best seasons for a rookie starter in the arbitration era. Hope you enjoyed this seasons episode of LOLMets Choketober and made the appropriate notation in whatever book you refer to in your user name, the book of hurt I assume. The rotation is so strong that 39-year-old Morton, who re-signed for one year and $20 million, could possibly. For those that missed it, Strider will be Super Two BECAUSE he will be top 2 in ROY and that means he gets an extra year of service time in the new CBA. Spencer Strider and the Plant-Based Diet When Strider was 19, he was diagnosed with high blood pressure something rather uncommon for a young athlete. It's also available for football, basketball and hockey. The Marlins are one new owner away from being elite. Meanwhile the Mets toss money at aging crap. @Pads Fans Interesting point. Imagine they had given a deal like this to Mike Soroka after his amazing rookie season in 2019. Actually they did.. Youre ignoring hes going to be Top 3 in the ROY so hes going to get granted an extra year of service time. I could be mistaken on this because I dont follow the Braves as closely as you all do; but it seems to me that part of this is AAs (or Braves) intent on establishing the players relationship through goodwill too for the future. Quit pretending that every Braves fan supported your ridiculous troll scenario. Injuries and regression could always push any of these extensions from bargain to burden particularly in the later stages of the deals, when the salaries are come with more heft. The league never would agree to that. And it becomes contagious in the clubhouse imo. Braves fans will be the first ones screaming when all these long term signing dont work out and the team starts getting hamstrung. I hope Bloom is watching the Braves and learning. Period. @ice. Phillies are in the WS. Career earnings will be less than $20M for his first full 5 seasons in the majors. If not for an extension, Strider would have made the league minimum in 2023 and 2024, been Arb 1 eligible in 2025, Arb 2 eligible in 2026, Arb 3 eligible in 2027 and a free agent after 2027. Obviously, $76MM in 2028 will carry less weight than $76MM in 2022, but its still a hefty commitment to have so far down the line. Not a smart bet. The facts say you are wrong. To your point, Strider hasnt come close to earning it, hes shown PROMISE, not sustained success. From pursuing his hobbies to rebuilding his arm action and. Not going to roast you on Sewmake, Mercenary, but imo theres no possibility of him being considered as a viable replacement for Swanson. I think there is some advantage, that doesnt show up on the balance sheet, when you lock in your young players. The mlbtr article mentioned that his agency is Frontline. He is definitely a Super Two candidate. @Lanidrac Its very unlikely to hurt the Braves badly, since short of catastrophic injury (for which theyll probably have insurance) theyd be keeping him around anyway, shepherding him through TJ should that happen, paying arb awards, collecting insurance. Extra year for Roy. 2 things: I would imagine the MLBPA, other pitchers around the league, and the agents that represent those pitchers are all thrilled to see this contract. ATLANTA -- Within a matter of minutes, the Spencer Strider narrative changed from: How effective might he be in the National League Division Series to how effective might he be through at least the 2028 season? AAs notoriously quiet when negotiating. Let's check, How Rich is Efra, Duane Theiss estimated Net Worth, Biography, Age, Height, Dating, Relationship Records, Salary, Income, Cars, Lifestyles & many more details have been updated below. Corbin Burnes going into year 5, second arb season (1 year of control after 2023) is due to make $11.3M in his second to last trip through arbitration. Hes shown his ceiling to be so high that Im sure they wanted to lock it in place before hes outpriced himself, with another solid season. Average MLB salary rose to record $4.22M in '22. The information does not usually directly identify you, but it can give you a more personalised web experience. SALARY Bo Bichette, SS, TOR. Owen Murphy, RHP 2. AA said as much in his interviews today when discussing Striders health, work habits, team fit, and overall excellence for his age. This is a big market spending club unfortunately, And Clayton Kershaw was going to sign with the Rangers cuz hes a local guy. The Padres have about $57MM on the 28 books between Manny Machado and Fernando Tatis Jr., while the Rangers have about $51MM on the books between Corey Seager and Marcus Semien. If he spent the whole season on the major league roster he is definitely NOT a Super Two. Its a horrible deal, set your expectations to hate it now, so you are less annoyed in 3 years. This information might be about you, your preferences or your device and is mostly used to make the site work as you expect it to. He'll be paid a $4MM salary in 2025 before jumping to . Lets say we overpaid for Diaz, because ultimately thats what it was. 2 things: The Braves do it again, getting 2 FA years of a superb pitcher (incl an option year, fcol), and they get those years very close to a SPs peak ages. Anyone else a lil bothered we got a 1:05/4:05 start times at Truist?
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